Stupid Copyright Automation (Soundcloud)....
Well, I was scheduling a post for tomorrow (when one of my children has her birthday party... so chaos, and no Steeming!) in which I was going to show off a little bit of me screwing around on the fortepiano (an old Mozart era piano) for fun. However, when I visited the Soundcloud page, I had a message saying that my audio file was under review for copyright violation (which means that I can't post it...).
Well, I'm pretty cranky about that, seeing as it was a recording of some Mozart sonata that I had made in my living room whilst I was recording the violin audio for this post about Bach's BWV32 cantata... so I know for absolutely sure that it is NOT a copyrighted piece of music. It's hilarious that it was flagged, as it was about 1 minute of a 5 minute long piece... and that it was flagged as ripping off a professional recording. Very flattering, I'm a professional violinist, but I'm nowhere near being a professional pianist!
So, with these couple of GLARING errors, one has to wonder if the SoundCloud copyright automation is working as intended, or at least in a bit of good faith. After all the first flag should have been the HUGE discrepancy in length of recording, and the second should have been the difference in quality (or maybe this professional pianist isn't very good...).
Anyway, it is a bit irritating that the onus is on ME to prove that the recording is genuine... BASTARDS!
(By the way, the music that I recorded is a sonata from MOZART... the guy that died a few centuries ago, and the music is NOT copyrighted...).
SoundCloud
Hi bengy,
It looks like your track
"Screwing around with fortepiano!"
might contain or be a copy of "Sonata in C major K330 : III Allegretto" by Tuija Hakkila, which is owned by owned by Fazer Records/Finlandia in certain territories.
As a result, your track has been removed from your profile for the time being.
– Wait SoundCloud, I think I have the rights to this!
If you think we've made a mistake, you can tell us about it by following the link below and filing a dispute. You can file a dispute if:
• we've wrongly identified the track
• we've correctly identified the track, but you have the rights to post this to SoundCloud - for example, because you are the copyright owner or have permission from the copyright owner(s).
If either of these things apply to you, tell us about it here:
copyright.soundcloud.com/dispute/soun…tes:30220881
To learn more about copyright, please visit our copyright information page: soundcloud.com/pages/copyright.
Thank you,
The SoundCloud Copyright team
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Dsound?
Or is this no alternative?
No, I've not liked the way that dsound had dealt with reported abuse. So I'm not keen to return to them.
It is the opposite problem... Anything goes...
Next time record a video of your hands and the keyboard while playing and post it on YT first. Leave a bit of space at the beginning or at the end and add a chord/note/hand-clap/phone ringing that does not belong in the piece. They would have a hard time proving you are not the one playing. Posting live music is all I do, and I rarely get a copyright claim and never faced a take-down.
The age of the piece makes it impossible to get a copyright claim, but these days the bologna eating lawyers manage to get some claims on arrangement, and know with certainty that most can't afford a lawyer to defend a living room recording of self.
I understand the right (as a professional musician myself) of an artist to copyright their own performance of the piece... but it is really hard for automation (at the moment) to tell the difference between individual performances... so they tend to be a bit heavy handed at the moment.
However, they did take my dispute, and restored the track a week or so later.
How about saying you have Mozarts permission and Tuija Hakkila stole it.
I wonder what happens if you post it again with an other title
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Haha... yes, I have direct contact with Mozart! Actually, it wasn't the artist's fault... it is the automated detection programs... a bit inaccurate at best!... but it is trickier with older music, as it is harder to tell the difference between individual performances.
Sooooooooooo dumb!
I had a video removed from Facebook for copywrite because there was a song playing somewhere in the background. Dumbest thing ever. While the song was likely copywrited it made it seem that videos could only exist in a silent world. Frustrating.
Yep... I understand the reason for it, and as a musician, I'm happy that they have the tools to do it. However, the flagging first and then review later is a bit tedious. One the other hand, getting emails to review stuff as a musician is also not fun...
These things are irritating. It’s like I posted a short video on YouTube in a mall where there is a musical fountains of sorts that had a background music track that they claim is copyrighted. So how is one able to capture and post such things ? Again it isn’t even the full track.
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Haha... yes, the automation needs a little bit of work!
Facebook muted a video of @cmp2020 playing one of Bach's Inventions on piano. Yeah, um, ok, a ~300 year old copyright. It really is out of hand.
Yep, hopefully the automation for this improves... however, I guess it is a bit of a tricky thing to do.
Any idea who this Tuija Hakkila guy is, and why soundcloud has heard of him, but not Mozart?
Actually, the fortepianist that I was supposed to have copied is quite well known in the Early Music field (my area). So, it is quite flattering to have compared favourably... even if it was by dumb code!
I think that the problem is more that it is a tricky problem to solve... The problem is not identifying Mozart (which is out of copyright...), but the actual performance (which is...). As I musician myself, I understand the problem... but perhaps the automation needs to be a little less shoot first!
As far as I can tell (from experience and light reading), performers can copyright their performance of public domain works (or works that are copyrighted to other people, but obviously not the original work which is either public domain or belonging to whoeverholds the copyright). So what I'm guessing is that the thing picked up that your composition sounds similar to the performance of the same piece by whoever that is and is assuming a copyright violation.
Which seems kinda dumb to me but copyright law is convoluted and weird. Creative commons is much more straightforward XD
Yeah... but the original piece was Mozart... he's been dead a little while... I'm okay with copyrighting the performance, but if the software is so bad that it can't tell the difference in performances, then it shouldn't be used as a shoot first explain later sort of way!
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