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RE: Libertarian Social Democracy: Delegative Democracy, Land Value Tax, & Universal Basic Income

in #georgism8 years ago

Are you aware of cafr1.com?
According to him the govt has enough money inthe stockmarket to end taxation totally.

Personally i see the shortest route to be to simply continue doing the work while refusing to pay to buy it back.
The blockchain can tabulate who the bums and heroes are.

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Good job!

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The purpose of taxation isn't revenue though. That's a misconception. Issuing money and then collecting taxes creates markets. (Cf. David Graeber's "Debt: The First 5,000 Years") The purpose of taxing people isn't to fund government spending. They could just print money for that. By taxing folks, you create a necessity of them having money, then since everyone has to have the government-issued money for tax purposes, they might as well use it as a medium of exchange for trade. So, taxation fosters and creates markets. The second purpose, which social democratic nations use taxes for, is redistribution, taking money from the wealthy to give to programs that help the poor or to help all of society. So, yes the government has other ways of funding government spending, so there is technically no budgetary need for taxation, but the government can't really just abolish taxation. If you abolish taxes, the market would wither away to nothing relatively quickly.

As you know, I personally think that land value tax and other Pigouvian taxes and progressive taxation (tax the rich and tax corporations) and use the revenue to fund universal basic income is a better approach. This would create markets in a way that is more liberatory and less coercive to most people. I know you're opposed to money and markets in general though.

Bellamy's idea, keep working, stop paying seems to be the ideal solution of the options I've seen.

Instead of taxes we could have people doing the work for free because it was the right thing to do.

I actually do work for chocolate chip cookies. It's not exactly free, but it's something my neighbors can afford.

And giving me cookies is the right thing to do! XD

Ideally, sure...but I don't think it would work in the real world. Plus, I advocate the wholesale abolition of work altogether. Automate everything, socialize ownership of land and machines, give everyone a basic income.

In order to get anywhere we have to go from here to there.
I think free stuff for less work would sell to the masses very well.
It is concise in 4 words.
Automate everything, account for nothing in 'money'.
Each person floats on their own accomplishments, not accomplishments started by their grandpas, et al.

As for working in the now, we have to start engineering the consent in some now, how about this one?
That is, after all, how we got here to suffer as victims of the bush/Clinton crime family.
Bernays sold out to the rule by forcers.
Alinsky showed them how, luckily the trick he published didn't have companions.
We'd be in real trouble then, imo.

If you haven't noticed, you have to multiply the numbers by ten, now, as sbd is trading about 11.
It's a good time to put out content.

Automation only works if the people who control the capital assets don't use it to extract wealth from everyone else. This is why the predictions about people in our day and age having the problem of figuring out how to use up our leisure time were incorrect - economic privilege wasn't factored in.

I favour the idea of a Star Trek-style higher consciousness society, too, but I think we're quite far away from reaching that point and need to figure out the stepping stones that can get us there, as you said.

We need to address the issue of economic privilege. Switching to a land value tax would help us to accomplish this.

On any given tuesday the workers can keep working while refusing to pay, and as long as the work continues to be done the goods are available.
Crapitalism holds many delusions.

We have to have workers, we dont have to have dollars.
Dollars create nothing, workers do.
Stop buying into the lie that makes you a slave and somebody else boss.
You are the victim of a grand fraud.

Are you saying “don’t pay taxes because nothing will happen”?

I'm saying keep working, stop paying, and the tax men can find real work.

Not one truck is loaded by digital cash in banks, or anywhere else.
Workers do all the work, why they buy their own production back from folks that didn't do anything except be favored by the system, I don't know.

I reckon whether we advocate it or not, automation will happen, and the market economy will eventually become obsolete.

Once you reach that point, what is the point of a market, other than social status?

Keep working, stop paying.
Bring on the robots.

As a carpenter, I am in one of the fields most automation proof. I'll probably be working for scooby snacks until I croak.

Well, we got to do something, eh?
Might as well make something useful.