RE: Programming Diary #40: Spotlight on reliability, security, and fairness in the Thoth project
Things are looking great!
I've been surprised by the quality of some of the content you've found - in a couple of cases, users who have left approximately 2 years ago and would very much like to see return. One of which now has about 2.3 million YouTube subscribers but was completely ignored by the community at the time.
I wonder if there's an opportunity to find similar people now - before they follow the same path?
With regards to downvotes, I have wondered if I remove my delegation, whether these will end. I feel that the downvotes have nothing to do with you or the project, but to do with a long-term attack by this individual against me. I'll soon be writing another "Downvote Compensation" post - aware that this doesn't help the beneficiaries that you're trying to support... but will compensate the total loss quite comfortable. Perhaps something to consider for when these rewards arrive at your doorstep.
In the mean time, as you've already seen, I'll just vote more. More consistently (it's now automated to vote everything @thoth.test self-votes) and at a higher percent. Which I'll happily continue to increase if the attacks continue. He gets 3 downvotes per day (before he starts losing curation power which I know upsets him) which are weaker than my equivalent 3 upvotes and if he focusses on you, then he can't downvote the other annoying accounts (like @bullionstalker) which I suspect are more harmful to his already shattered reputation. Not forgetting @anti.abuse which he seems to dislike too.
It's an interesting consideration though - it essentially means that you need a base voting power that makes the downvotes meaningless in comparison to the return to delegators.
Yeah, that's the same with the existing delegation bots, too. They only really took off after the downvotes stopped. I think my biggest weakness for demonstrating the possibilities is the size of the wallet. Even without downvotes, a substantial base is also helpful for attracting delegators. Either a large stake or lots of upvotes (or both) is necessary to provide competitive returns to delegators (especially if an operator insists on burning 25% of author rewards).
It would be interesting to see what would happen if the Steemit team ran Thoth as a curator of the month with their own account and stake for a few months. ;-) I'd bet that they'd peel some delegators away from the more destructive services - or else force those services to adopt a less harmful approach.
Yeah, I followed him, and I noticed when he stopped posting. That was disappointing. A pre-2020 Steemit team member was the one brought him here.
I had started an influencers list some years ago, but I never maintained it. In the course of running Thoth, I have learned that the inactive influencer list is much bigger than I had realized, though. Of the four active ones that I knew at the time, I see that three are still active with posting now.
I think that keeping them (and any others we could find) is probably more about audience than rewards. Encourage engagement with their posts and teach them how they can use Steem to reward their fans/followers in ways that they can't do on other platforms.
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I hadn't considered that. Definitely worth an application as it's different from the Status Quo which is what the platform most definitely needs!
Although - the perception that the Steemit stake is a delegation service is perhaps a step too far.
It's interesting - none receive much in the way of interaction at the moment.
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Yeah, after years of near-zero engagement, I'm sure they see it mostly as a link-dropping platform at this point. skycorridors used to reply to comments on her posts here, but I think the last time I left a comment to her it went unanswered.
OTOH, last I knew (years ago), Hive whales were actively downvoting her.... so I guess it could be worse. ;-)
It might be, although they could set their own rewards to zero if they wanted to offset that criticism. (that wouldn't be my recommendation, though)
My guess is that the JS announcement back in January pertained to a Tron-developed LLM that was going to be connected to Steem, and based on his subsequent post a week or so later, I guess it was a disappointment. Assuming that's right, and if they ever get that model up to snuff, Thoth could provide a good way to showcase it. If they use the OpenAI format for their API, it's probably easy enough to plug in to their model.
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I read the comments of the proposal to connect Steemit, Hive and Blurt on Hive and there are similar complaints there about an inactive user base. On the surface, Hive looks more active than Steemit but in reality, it appears to be a similar story to us where most content just gets ignored (presumably there's a lot of cross-posting so this probably isn't surprising). They also have the self-destructive tendency of just downvoting for fun, rather than for a purpose.
It wouldn't surprise me if we never discover what JS was really referring to in that tweet.
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I think you're right, but I keep hoping...
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