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I've heard it stated many ways, I actually thought that way was pretty common.

Though I think you are right. I don't even need those and it resolves itself.

Defense is the keyword.

If nothing was initiated then there is no defending. So the fact you need to defend at all indicates something was already initiating against you.

The slippery slope is those precrime, preemptive people who see what they are doing as defending against something that MIGHT happen by initiating force. That isn't defense.

Anyway, I think you are right on that.

thank you...
yup..pre emptive strikes...I haz a problem with that.