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RE: Support Fyrstikken in his fight against abuse of power
This is the first time I have witnessed real people taking a real stand against unconscionable conduct. Good on you @seablue, and good on you @fyrstikken! If there were a semblance of integrity, we would have a supportive vote from every whale and that Includes @ned and @dan - here's hoping.
Flagging/down-voting has its applications but the bad outweighs the good.
Bin it. Social Media has better solutions. Flagging and down-voting exist due to the centralisation of stake - Remove the Cause and Not the Symptoms.
Anyone else hear some Rocky Horror Show coming on?
Maybe Bernie and gang want all whales to lose their voting powers for acting irresponsible to Steemit community? It's the worst message anyone could send to a growing community.
So how would you recommend dealing with plagiarism/identity theft if flagging were removed?
Hi there @fingolfin, many thanks for stopping by to comment. Much appreciated and followed you for your interest in such matters.
Plagiarism is relatively simple - cheetah does a job. The community should be able to cause anything else to be seen for what it is. What irks me more is a crap photo and a single line and it gets ridiculous rewards - plagiarism takes more effort than that!
Identity theft is a very real issue but I have never seen it raise its head on steemit. Are there instances which you can point to because it is an insidious reality on the web at large?
The real issue is the stake weight and its issuance followed by its abuse. A flag from me has little consequence. A whale flag once took 90% off the value of one of my posts which was a community initiative from a dedicated contest account. There was no rationale.
Were there a proper decentralisation of influence, we would find that flags and downvotes became a Darwinian legacy.
As it is the creators of value on the platform receive zero recognition. Flags and downvotes are an unwelcome presence in any medium which contains the name 'Social'.
I hope that gives you a sufficient answer - please let me know if not!
PS A quick look at @seablue's message to me below should tell you all you need to know,
Cheetah does part of the job, but the large majority of plagiarism is found by users, not cheetah. There has to be some sort of mechanism to take away the monetary rewards for people stealing content and attempting to pass it off as their own.
I'm fine is this isn't through flagging but there has to be something in place to deal with it. If not, steemit will just be flooded with stolen content because who cares if you get caught as long as it still pays out.
Plagiarism needs policing, I agree. The problem is that the existence and use of flags has a way bigger negative impact than the existence of plagiarism.
If I see plagiarism or an attempt to call a photo and a line passing off as a post, I simply write a comment to that effect. Were there a system of flagging which had no post payout effect but earmarked a post as plagiarism, would you follow/vote for that content?
I would not.
A reduction in volume and increase in value of votes would be beneficial too - I have suggested 20 with the option (if your vote value is under 5 cents) to have 5 doubles and 10 singles. Min weight of vote 50% and 25% on a comment.
How many posts do you really read per day?
When these conversations start, it always comes back to the indefensible stake weight - nobody seems to have the will to repair the primary cause of dysfunction.
Unfortunately as someone who spends a lot of time looking for plagiarized posts the majority of them aren't found until after they have already racked up a nice payment.
I think most people wouldn't actively vote on something that was stolen content but most of these posts rack up the rewards before they are caught. I think there should be some way to remove those rewards and right now that way is flagging. I'd be happy to support some other system if it offered the same potential for removing those payouts.
luckily we have a week to unvote those "bad" posts :|
My one experience with that was when I was looking the trending page a few months ago, there was a youtube video, making 30$ at that moment my account was worth that much, I got into a conversation outlined my thoughts, said I wa workig for 2 months, maybe next time he should at least bring in some context, he was like well you are butthurt, so fuck off, so I did and I will probably never return, I know how to watch videos :D the only person loosing is the spammer in the end, but the problem is the "mining" of rewards and the blind voting :) 200 votes 20 views, 30 payout ?!?!?!
This is a very cool conversation @fingolfin because I hear you and you hear me. I doubt whether there are many who would disagree.
One of the important things which you have said and which I mentioned about the HF17 changes, is the capacity of whales to open innumerate accounts for the price of 1 steem and post via bots. This content is bound to be of a pretty poor quality. The delegated SP will invite wholesale intra-voting and the subsequent redistribution of steem. It will 'appear' that the platform is decentralising when it will in fact be continuing upon its path of centralisation.
The new marketing team is looking to provide a repository of suggestions. The concerns which we share should be posted there and catalogued within a pile of similar concerns and suggestions for their remedy.
A flag for plagiarism (though can be subjective) is a valid flag. If a whale posts plagiarism, my flag is benign. What then?
If a whale flags for purely strategic reasons, that flag cost should be put back upon the issuer of the flag.
One person. one account would make life a lot easier and put an end to a great deal of school yard antics.
Have you written any long form suggestions? I would like to read them if you have.
humm m maybe not voting for it like it was intended, by the way flagging wasn't in the original concept, there is no payout if nobody vests with you, if everybody spent their time and voted on the good content they have seen, reposts would get naturally segregated and slowly chocked out, then a new acc and another, basically the idea behind flagging is to combat yeah:
sybil attacks - multi account schemes,
maybe to nuke reputation but that is seriously retarded
it's basically a server wide mute button :D
I appreciate your support @ebryans
Wow. you touched a nerve. How interesting. Like you have any power to do anything. Hmmmm WAIT I guess we all have power to come up against SP Whale abuse. Our voices and standing up for what is right for Steemit community.
Yes. We should stand up for what is right.