Thanks :) I always tell my three year old to help himself :) "Dad, dad, help me, help me" Which I reply; "Crom help those who help themselves" :D (Crom is Conan the Barbarian's God) That's the kind of God I like. The one who help those who help themselves - which is of course the non existant God. Sure, I help him and others when I know it's impossible for them, or they have tried their best. I can't say that to my kid when he literally can't reach something because it's too high up, or if my wife can't open a bottle cap. But you do no good by doing things for others that they should be able to do themselves. It's like the 25 year old who lives at home, enabled by his parents who demand nothing of him. They are not doing him a favor. On the contrary, they are destroying him. :)