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RE: Ethics Over Exploitation: Veganism Making Gains in 2018! My Comments On The New 'Vegan 2018' Documentary.

in #vegam7 years ago

If it is wrong to eat life in the form of bacon, what makes it right to eat life in the form of a plant?

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I covered this in the video response in the OP in some detail. You can't eat animal flesh without harming/killing the animal. You can eat food from food baring plants without killing anything and in fact, biology 101 shows that when you eat food from food baring plants and poop as nature intended, you create more life, not less. Part of the issue that clouds this is that vegans don't differentiate between plants that bare food and the other plants which die when you eat them. This is further clouded by some parts of the world having harsh winters that kill most plants anyway.

The general answer you will hear from vegans on this though is different. Generally, people point to the reality that plants do not have a central nervous system and the capacity to understand pain. I will add on that all life forms are willed. If your will is to be eaten then in theory you are getting what you want or even need by being eaten. Animals do not have such will to be eaten and express that when presented with the reality that they are about to be tortuously killed.
Plants do not exhibit this behavior and there is no proof that they are this way as far as I am aware.

In summary: if plants have a strong will to live, we need to know but don't generally know. we can eat food from bood baring plants without harming them. animals clearly suffer a lot when we exploit them and kill them.

balance requires that nothing is being overpowered.

Im with you on the killing of animals being horrible, especially on an industrial scale, my brother drove a truck with 80,000 lbs of liquid blood between processing plants.
Him and two others, 7 days a week.

That 'capacity to feel pain' sounds like rationalizing, to me.
Who is to say what a tree knows?

You ready to witness on a fork that drops the ninjamine from the numbers?

I am open to the possibility of all plants being sentient in their own way - in fact, i think that is true. We need to do the best we can.

Which fork are you referring to? I don't keep up much with forks - I only really know of whaleshares, vice and that asian one that i forgot the name of ;)

Golos.io was the first, but im trying to drum up interest in a new one.
There has to be 30 of the top 100 witnesses willing to band together to make steem a success rather than be complicit in neds desire to drive us off a cliff.

oh yes, golos and the other is weku.
from my perspective, the most relevant questions relating to a fork need to be addressed in a plan and are: a) who pays for it all? b) who are the team that will run it and code it? and c) what differentiates it from existing forks?

Does weku run a full fork, or are they just a mirror with no witnesses?

as far as i am aware, they are a full fork that just has one witness - but i don't really pay much attention there.

I havent tried them, either.

It will take some high level defections to make a coup successful.
Unless we could get listed on exchanges it wont work.